Jesus Christ IS the TRUE lucifer (morning star, light bringer)

celafoe 2 years ago

sorry but neither is lucifer

Leta S 2 years ago

Hi, Sanctus...you came to my attention in that one religious character post in the forums.... So, you're not an atheist, hmm?

I read through this, and I just want to say that the number 666, in some biblical scholars' views, is called the number of man...probably relating to the characterization of numbers, as you noted...but not to numerology. God's perfect number was characterized as 7, so that anything else would be considered imperfect. And how much more imperfect than 1 digit below the perfect number of God? And triple that--666--the number of the mark of man, or the anti-Christ. Just thought I'd introduce that alternative view of the origin of the number.

TimothyRBerman 2 years ago

I have wondered about this and had heard something alluded to how the passage in Isaiah is not reflective of Lucifer as Satan. However, the interpretation I had heard some time ago was that the passage in Isaiah was not referring to a fallen angelic being, but an actual person with the name Lucifer during the time of Isaiah and how Isaiah recorded the fall of this great person.

MBP42 2 years ago

Interesting writing but the title might confuse someone who doesn't know Jesus as the Christ or the scriptures that speak of HIm.

lfschrawyer1 2 years ago

I read this because of the title, and it was not about what I expected it to be by no means. I thought I would be reading about how Jesus was evil, and there was proof. I am happy to say I didn't hear what I had expected. There are many different view on the bible, some say the bible was revised by man, and some of the true meaning got led astray in the translation. I believe there is some truth to that, however I am not well versed enough in the bible to be able to tell you what got led astray by man's translation. I will need to think about all that you have said and the comments you have received a little more to be able to tell you if I believe what you say is really the way it was. Still an interesting read, well worth the time, hope to hear more on this subject. lfschrawyer1

jesusmyjoy 2 years ago

Modern translations have an unusual rendering of Isaiah 14:12. The New International Version, for example, translates Isaiah 14:12 this way: “How you have fallen from heaven O morning star, son of the dawn…” In verse 15 the NIV says that this morning star will be “brought down to the grave.” The NIV, with virtually all of the other modern translations, with the exception of the New King James Version, speaks about this “morning star” falling from heaven and being brought “to the grave.” Who is the “morning star”?

In Revelation 22:16 the Lord Jesus Christ says: “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” Jesus is “the bright and morning star.” Shouldn’t we be concerned that, according to the modern translations of Isaiah 14:12, the “morning star,” identified as Jesus Christ in the New Testament falls from heaven because of pride and is cast into “hell”? Is this not the ultimate blasphemy and therefore the worst possible translation?

whomtheSonsetFree 2 years ago

I was just perusing through this hub-( being still in foreign and unfamiliar territory alluding to using a computer?)-and I just had to stop in and say to oscarwms? Kudos to you--for you are certainly right about salvation being by man's choice. In so doing we also choose our eternal destinations as well. " For it is by the Grace of God that we have been saved and that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast." (paraphrased) We each individually make that Choice. I'm unfamiliar with anyone ever saying that Lucifer-(Bringer of light)- was not the name God called Satan before he rebelled and became Satan.

That, I thought, was how he has fooled so many and will continue to do so in these end days as he appears to many being that "false light" they think is God. I've done several studies on the nature of satan-his role in God's government etc. Trying to become more familiar with the tactics he has used against me,and in so doing I would be like that soldier of God, armed and ready to fight fully clothed in the Armor of God having at my disposal the battle plans. as it were, of Satan-( God's adversary )-against me.

God has done a mighty work in this old soul-and now I am not unaware that the evil one uses many ways to "get at" the children of God.

I'll have to check out this "new" doctrine/idea?--I have studied with someone who knows many languages-they never once mentioned this.Like all things should be-I will test it through scripture first. Judging that outside of the Bible by that which is within God's Holy Word. Not the other way around.

I'm not into intellectualism-I am however, "into" God. "Into" Jesus Christ who is my Lord and my Savior.

Thank the Lord God that faith is a simple thing. So that even the illiterate of the world can receive Jesus Christ through this marvelous vehicle God has provided for us!

As the Apostle Paul said?(paraphrasing again if you please)~~"I know nothing but Christ and Him crucified" For the forgiveness and washing away the slime of the sins of myself and whoever will choose Him above all else.

Not only do I believe in His still performing miracles-I am one of them. Hence my "name"

Either one receives the Truth or one continues to deny it to their eternal agonizing detriment.That said? I am "outta here" May the good Lord bless and keep you and yours in these last days.

He is returning soon. Yes-I believe it. With every beat of my heart and every fiber of my being. He said no man knows the hour of His return, but the Father. Yet He also told us to watch and what to watch for.To be ready at anytime to hear His call. Studying eschatology has been my hobby as well.

sroberts9 2 years ago

Jesus is Good and Satan (or who ever you want to call the other guy) is Bad.

Satan can change himself into what ever form he would like as he is a spirit - he describes himself as the light but, basically the kind of light he is, as my Dad would best describe, a light at the end of a tunnel which you think is good - finally the light has come you say! But, as it approaches closer you will see that it's a train and you are strapped to the tacks. That's the type of light Satan really is and how he can manipulate you and confuse you to think otherwise.

Tyhill27 2 years ago

Sroberts9, good answer and Amen sister! Satan is the master deceiver, and all he desires is to seek, kill, and destroy. God, looks for people who truly love him! He has provided redemption through his Son Jesus Christ so that we can become children of God. Our Kingdom is not of this world!

j.marshall 2 years ago

ok every one here has a good point, no one will truly ever have all the answers, i personally feel that the bible cant be taken literaly for several reasons, 1. that the coucil of nicea took and added what they saw fit which is agianst the scripture in revelation of those who do this, 2 the overseers of the kjv was the occultist robert flood! c'mon "they" dont want us to know the truth lets face it they have used religion as a way of power and financial gain

Karen Tabler 2 years ago

Who Is The Morning Star? Is the morning star in the bible JESUS or LUCIFER?

In Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer is called the son of the morning. But Jesus is referred to as both the day star and morning star.

Revelation 22:16 “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root [an ancestor] and the offspring [the blood descendant] of David, and the bright and morning star.”

22:16 I, Jesus have sent my angel to testify these things - Primarily. To you - The seven angels of the churches; then to those churches - and afterwards to all other churches in succeeding ages. I - as the Mighty God, (the embodiment of the Word of God made flesh, the faithful and true witness). I Am the root - And source of David's family and kingdom (assuring the Church of “the sure mercies of David”, secured to Israel); as man (David’s lord, yet David’s son), an descended from his loins (spiritual in vitro fertilization via miraculous power of God- insuring the blood line of David). I am the star out of Jacob, Num 24:17; like the bright morning star, who puts an end to the night of ignorance, and sin, and ushers in an eternal day of light, and purity.

I am the morning star-that ushered in the day of grace in the beginning of this dispensation and that shall usher in the everlasting day of glory at its close. (Wesley Study Notes out of Context)

Revelation 2:26-29 “And the (one) overcoming and the (one) keeping until (the) end the works of me, I (Jesus) will give him authority over the nations, and he will shepherd them with a staff of iron, as clay vessels, they are broken, as I also have received from the Father of me, and I will give him the morning star. He having an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

Jesus (The Morning Star - Mighty God - Embodiment of the Word of God )

VS

Anti-Christ (The Fallen Day Star - God Manifest - Evil Incarnate - Theocratic Terrorism)

Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "morning star" that literally precedes the rising of the sun. Use of this name in reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven (the sky).

Scott.Life 2 years ago

Does any one even get the point that it doesn't matter what it says but how you live that will determine your afterlife. Its all about your heart and here we are trying to use our wisdom to think our way through faith. God said again and again that he would make the wisdom of man folly. We're trying to say to one another what God meant and what he wants for us all and the truth is we have no clue. Be honest with yourself we're all trying the best we can to live a good life and maybe, just maybe get into heaven. At the end of the Book of Job God made clear his feelings about man's understanding of him in that everyone in that story had got it wrong. It's not about words and denominations or even debates and councils but in action and deed. That just my opinion. I do believe in choice and free will. This life you live can change any moment you decide. God is your father and just as your earthly father he knows you will make many mistakes along the way. Just as your father does God also lets you make them for your own growth and development, what would a being as creative and powerful as God need from puppets and minions.. Saying that you are not in control or responsible for the outcome of your life is cowardice and no different then Adam blaming Eve for the forbidden fruit. Adam had a choice he could have corrected Eve and asked God's forgiveness and understanding but instead chose to shift the blame and it has been going on ever since. You can either take responsibility of your life and receive the gift given to you by God and given to no other creation or you can choose to a victim for all eternity. Strange though that in history those who succeed are those that take control of their life's direction. I could be wrong. It was a great hub and I totally agree with you about the definition of Lucifer, it is not a Hebrew word and doesn't even belong in the Bible. Do not forget that most of what modern Christians know about hell and the devil is not based in religion at all but the writings of Dante, and Milton. These two men have done more to influence popular ideas of damnation and hell then any others. How many times is hell actually and directly referenced in the Bible using that word?

spencer 2 years ago

Did God create Satan to be evil? God most certainly did not create man to be evil, he created him in his own image, so I'm just going to throw it out there that if man was created in God's image how much more an angel would have been created, so I don't know if God created Satan to be evil

chenmikehk 2 years ago

Hmm, thought provoking.

I think once Lucifer fell, he became satan, the devil, so you might be right.

chenmikehk 2 years ago

Tell me more, if satan was not a fallen angel.

GreatContent 2 years ago

The word Lucifer indeed means morning star, but scriptures show us who it was referring to. Isaiah 14:4 says that it is a taunt against the KING OF BABYLON. This was an actual human, and not demonized angel hell bent on taking Yah's throne.

Christopher Chipps 2 years ago

I read most of the comments, but I still kinda of believe that Lucifer is Satan, but what really bugs me is, some of the comments about the KJV being full of contradictions and errors blah, blah, blah. Do you people who say those things think you know more than the KJV translators? God said that He would preserve his word from generations forever, and He is more than capable of keeping is word, so the KJV is the word of God, while all the modern translations only contain half truths, they are watered down versions of what God said, and there are over sixty four thousand words omitted from the modern versions, or perversions as I call them, so if the KJV translators put "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14, then they knew what they were doing. Wheather the "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14 is refering to the king of Babylon or Satan,or both, or wheather the king of Babylon was being refered to in some parts of Isaiah, and Satan was being refered to in the other verses in Isaiah 14, I still believe that the KJV translators knew what they were doing when they put "Lucifer" in there. I get so sick of so called smart men and women today critisizing the KJV as if they know more than the KJV translators did.

GreatContent 2 years ago

Chris,

Honestly, there is no indication that "lucifer" is an angel, rather, the scripture does say that Lucifer was a man. The King of Babylon to be exact. The scripture says in Isaiah 14,"Is this the man who troubles the earth." It does not say if this is the angel who troubles the earth.

B 2 years ago

Shalom friend I think I can help you with this. I am a follower of Yahushua of Nazareth, and a worshiper of YaHuWah, the King of the universe. Please excuse me, for I do not use the fake pagan names given in English such as "Jesus" or LORD, which means BAAL in Hebrew. When I speak of Yahushua though, I am speaking of the person you know as "Jesus Christ"

You are correct that Lucifer is in fact a coverup, and it is more sinister then you think. Bright burning one actually comes from the old sun gods. In fact, Lucifer is actually the latin equivalent of the Greek word Phosphorus.

Now in case you did Not see what I wrote, let me show you that again. PhospHORUS. Yes good old Horus, the son of the Egyptian sun god Amen-Ra who was born on December 25th! Google Phosphorus and watch a video of it burning it looks like a sun burning.

The KJ perversion as well as hiding the true name of the Creator almost 7,000 times, and changing the Name of the Messiah, hid the identity of Hasatan himself.

Satan is the pagan sun god, always born on December 25th, and arising on Easter Sun god worship day. Easter, is in fact the babylonian sex and fertility goddess.

This is why christianity teaches a fake name, fake birthdate, fake ressurection day, and that "HeyZeus" abolished the law. Satanist teach the exact same thing, that Satan came to abolish the law, and that you are now under the grace of Satan to "do what thou wilt"

The deception is so huge it is mind boggling.

The New Covenant falsely called by Christians as the "new Testament" utterly condemns Christianity. The fact of the matter is that Yahushua of Nazareth was not a christian, neither was Paul, Peter, James, Jude, or any of his 1st Century followers.

They were Jews who kept the Torah, and called themselves followers of the Way.

Peter is another good example. His name is Shimon Keffa, Peter was actually the name of a false Roman god. "James" name was Yaakov, which would translate as Jacob, yet they called him James in honor of King James.

Shalom friends! Don't let Satan drive you out of the wheat field though with this info! THe Scriptures are true, and the man in the 4 Gospels Yahushua is the Messiah, what is fake is the pagan teachings of the Whore Rome and her daughters the protestant churches.

B 2 years ago

I wanted to add one more thing about the KJV stuff. The KJV is for the most part very accurate, but the KJV also has a few added verses which do not occur in the Greek text and some VERY BIASED TRANSLATION TOWARDS CHURCH DOGMA.

For example when Shaul (Paul) says "Let all meat be received with thanksgiving" the word used is a Greek word Broma which means Clean according to the 5 books of Moses. As I am sure you can tell this utterly changes the meaning of what Paul was saying.

This is not to say the other versions are perfect. Meaning is always lost when languages change, and then you have the religious bias of the translators.

This teaching that the KJV is the infallible word of God, is utter nonsense. A good translation for the most part, but not without error. I would recommend for those who cannot Speak Koine Greek or Paleo Hebrew a good Strong's concordance or Greek/hebrew Lexicon

B 2 years ago

Sanctus the Torah is something else I can shine a light on. Here is one of the largest deceptions of the Beast religious systems.

About 15 different words are translated "Law" in the New Covenant. What Christianity does not teach is that the Pharisees and the modern Orthodox Jews of Today, have what they call a "Oral Torah".

The Pharisees believe that they had the write to add or subtract from the Torah, and create their own laws. They taught that if you disobeyed YaHuWah that Yah would forgive you, but if you did not obey them, you would never see the afterlife.

A good example is when Yahushua was gleaning the corners of the field on the Sabbath day, it does not break the Torah, it breaks the "Oral Torah" of the Pharisees: cf. Jub. 2:19-20, see D.3 OF THE RABBINICAL HALAKHAH OF MINUTE CASUILTRY.

Another example is Mark 7, this entire thing has zero to do with unclean foods, it is about a Rabbinical Hand washing ceremony still going on today. (and of course some versions add thus said Jesus making all foods clean)

The Oral Torah added around 1,500 religious laws and flaming hoops to the Sabbath day alone. THis was the "burden" Paul was speaking about, not the Creator's righteous commands for living on this earth, that teach us how to love him and how to love our neighbors!

This is in fact one of the biggest lies of the churches! If you get a chance study the prophecies for the 1,000 year reign in the Torah and Prophets, it is a Fact the Sabbaths, Feast, New moons will be kept then!

This is why they teach "Jesus" was born on December 25th and that he abolished the law. It is the replacement Messiah that Yahushua warned about!

This is also why Shaul calls the Anti-Messiah the Lawlessone or the TORAHLESS one.

One perfect example when Yahushua says "Depart from me you workers of Iniquity" the word Iniquity in Greek is ANOMIA meaning Without Torah.

Same thing with the Mystery of Iniquity of the Last days. Iniquity is without Torah!

Shalom.

B 2 years ago

(Please note online concordances DO NOT tell the entire story, they generally have only one definition that conforms with church dogma)

If you have the New Stong's Exhaustive Concordance the Greek word is number 1033. Online ones only tend to say meat.

Broma: Articles allowed or Forbidden by Jewish law.

In Greek Broma was pretty much the same word we have as Kosher today (although Kosher today can mean Rabbinical ordinances and not just Torah law)

B 2 years ago

If you get a chance read YeshaYAHU, (Isaiah) 65. Yah promises to bring Judgment upon those in the last days who sit in groves and eat swinesflesh!

(Ive always wondered if YeshaYahu was not describing rows of Oak pew instead of groves, but that is my own random thoughts)

I ate unclean food for 30 years, and when I finally went through Shaul's letters translating everything I realized the church had lied to me, and changed me diet.

It changed my life, more energy, lost about 40 lbs, and I have not been sick in years.

By the way just another note here, notice how the English versions hide God's name in the prophets names also. We get Isaiah instead of YeshaYAHU. Or Jeremiah instead of YirmeYAHU.

Elijah is ELiYAHU, which means Yah is my Elohim.

If you get a chance friend, watch some videos by my friend on Youtube, if you would like to learn more about the names and coverups. I think you would really enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/messengerofthename#p/p

B 2 years ago

Sanctus, if you get a chance read this article. I think it is right up your alley.

It discusses whether Mainstream Christianity actually "Follows Christ" One of the best articles on the internet. I think it may explain some of your questions also

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/followmessiah.htm

B 2 years ago

1. Do you believe that a person must follow the 'Torah' by their own strength, and power alone?

I follow the Torah because I love the Creator, his laws and commandments are sweeter then honey, and more fine then gold to me. They have freed me from the bondage of man made religion

2. If Yahushua did not come to do away with the 'Torah', but to fulfill it, how is it that He condemned the Pharisees who were strict followers; even having added a load of their own laws to it?

You have to remember here, the Pharisees added and subtracted from the Torah creating their own religion. Much the same as Rome does. Remember he said to the Pharisees "You make the commandments of Elohim of no effect because of your traditions"

We also have to remember that after he said he came to Fill up the Torah, he commanded us to do and teach the least of the Torah. His yoke is light compared to the religious dog and pony shows of man. 613 commands, most of which do not even apply to us because some are for priest, some just the high priest, some for woman, etc etc. The Torah teaches us how to properly Love Yahuwah the way he commands, and teaches us how to love our neighbor as ourselves.

The 2 commandments are the foundation of the Torah, but we need to keep in mind the foundation does not abolish the House. A foundation without a house is just slab of concrete.

3. Do you believe in grace?

Yes I do. Unlike the beast system of the churches though, I believe that YHWH has always shown grace, and that we have been under grace since Adam sinned. The word Grace is used twice as much in the Torah as the entire New Testament.

You will never hear Romans 3:31 read in a church "Do we make void the law through Grace? God forbid! We establish the Law".

Keeping the Torah does not grant one forgiveness of sins. 1 John teaches us how we know we are saved "If we keep the commandments, if we do not we are liars and the truth is not in us" John also teaches they are not a burden. If you get a chance read 1st John tonight after talking with me and read the Letter of James.

Christianity twist the entire thing into a argument of "Grace vs Torah pick just one", when the true argument is law vs lawlessness.

I keep the Torah because I love YHWH, I keep the Torah because I love my Master Yahushua. I keep the Torah because I love my neighbor as myself!

The Scriptures make it clear that keeping the Torah does not grant one forgiveness of sins, but it also makes it very clear that if you do not keep the commandments you will be tossed into the pit.

For example 3 times in Revelations it repeats.

#1 Here are those who have the right to eat of the tree of life, those who keep the commandments AND have the testimony of the Messiah.

#2 Who does the dragon make war with in Revelations? Those who keep the commandments AND have the testimony of the Messiah.

#3 What is the endurance of the Saint? Those who keep the Commandment and have the testimony of the Saint.

Christianity teaches grace only, yet Yaakov, the brother of Yahushua and leader of the 1st Century assembly in Judea, wrote "Faith without works is dead". He said "You believe in God and the Messiah? well whoopty do, Satan and his angels also believe"

The difference between us and Satan is that we Obey the Creator, because we love him.

To learn who the real Creator is, and learn who the real Messiah is, not the crap the churches teach, has been the honor of my life.

Anyways I need to get off and hit the sack. If you have anymore questions I can check back tommorrow and answer them

Looking for Answers 2 years ago

I found this hub after searching for answers to this same questions! I have studied translation differences and languages associated with the Bible and have begged for help, with no prevail. I have read several posts but haven't researched all that was posted. If anyone wants to hear what I need answers too, pleeease be open to my questions.

Bobby 2 years ago

It is about time the curtain on this subject was pulled back and the truth be revealed .............thank You

Looking for Answers_LFA now 2 years ago

I want to know why Jesus would claim the name of "Morning Star" when it's clear that was the name of a fallen Angel.

LFA 2 years ago

I have to say 5 years ago I was sitting in Church and this subject crashed my world. Since then I have been in debate with whether Jesus is the true Messiah. Daniel 9:25-26 are the only two verses the word Messiah appears. But he is cut off , not for himself but because the people of the Prince destroy the sanctuary.

I don't want anyone to mistake me for a rebel, I grieve everyday in my suspicious mind. I want answers but have NO WHERE to turn. The Jews won't talk to me, the Christians won't talk to me. The hand full of people I've reached out to don't know what to say. My pastor told me to tell him my problems, "nothing will shock me", after I did he said "well, I was wrong" We are very good friends, so he protects me in confidentiality. He knows I'm searching for answers because I'm searching for truth, but he can't help me with the translation of languages. The questions I have will insult the Christain faith but I pleed with you not to take offense. They will be ligitamate questions.

scorpion5 2 years ago

what does Sanctus Vesania mean? Just curious, always had an attraction for letters SV all together :)

scorpion5 2 years ago

why the 2 together? Sanctus and Vesania?

LFA 2 years ago

I should of made that statement all together. I was curious why Jesus was claiming to be the morning star when the fallen angel claimed the name first.

I did know the annointed one was "Messiah" and Christos was Annointed one. Annointed is used throughout the OT and NT. What I had meant was the word Messiah only appeared in the OT as the "Messiah" , referring to the the saviour. My research has revolved around the concordance of Strong's. I will let you explain this question above in order to avoid confusion.

scorpion5 2 years ago

i remember reading something to the effect messiah = serpent so i just made a search and found this that may be of interest:

The Holy Serpent and the Kabbalah

And (it is interesting to note) the Messiah himself will become the Holy Serpent (please, remember the Serpent made of silver -- sic! which was erected by Moses in the desert to save Israelites from the poisonous snakes), or the Holy Dragon, the true King-Pharaoh (the gematria of the word "nahash" -- "serpent" is equal to gematria of the word "mashiah", "Messiah"). And, as you know, I suppose, there were Gnostic sects (2-3 C.E.) of ophythes and nahasens (both words were derived from the Greek and Aramaic designations of the "serpents") who called the Christ (i.e., Messiah) the Holy Serpent who opened to the spiritualized souls (pnumatics) the mysteries of the Tree of Life.

In Early Kabbalah, The Kohen Brothers, who lived in mid 13th century Castilia in Spain, in particular the "Treatise on the Left Emanation" by Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob Ha-Kohen. [This composition can be found in Joseph Dan and Ronald Kiener's "The Early Kabbalah", printed in New York 1986 -- also available at amazon.com.] The Kohen Brothers were the first who actually made the connection between the gematria of "Nahash" (serpent) and the gematria of "Mashiah" (messiah) = 358.

-Some Kabbalists' musings gleaned by FW... source: http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:mIXZojBArdgJ:/markofcain.html+messiah+means+serpent&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

scorpion5 2 years ago

what's the meaning of the meaning together? Holy Insanity? I dont get it :)

scorpion5 2 years ago

ok so doesnt have much to do with SV :) I'll be on my way now i guess :) Happy surfing light searchers :)

ciao

LFA 2 years ago

Well , that is more detailed than I expected. lol No I didn't know. I'm not nearly as educated as you are,I'm envious. I respect you. That is kind of scary to me there is a "HOLY SERPENT", I hadn't ever heard of that. I will say I don't expose myself alot to other books other than the Bible but I am open for guidance through your knowledge. I have to be honest, I need to discern things through my Bible.

LFA 2 years ago

Now I understand Seraphim. That's more my language. lol I have also wondered why they named him Jesus and not Immanuel.

LFA 2 years ago

Yes, my professor of Hebrew said Elijah,too. I knew that the two names "Joshua and/or Jesus" means "Jehovah is Salvation"

vince 2 years ago

Calvin was an idiot , if you say free wil does not exist you are a blasphemer cause that is what god gave you from the beginning , the bible also says THAT IN TRIBULATION THAT ANYONE THAT CALLES UPPON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAFED THERE GOES YOUR PREDESTINED CRAP GOD HAS SET THE STAGE BEFOREHAND BUT HE LETS US DECIDE WHAT ROLE YOU WILL CHOSE AND BY THE WAY LUCIFER IS A FALLEN CHERUB WHO POSSESED THE KING OF TYRE ? WHY DONT YOU GUYS ACTUALY READ ISIAH AS WHOLE WHERE IS CLEARLY STATES LUCIFER IS A THAT HAD WALKED IN THE GARDEN OF GOD AND PRIDE WAS FOUND IN HIM SHAME ON YOU YOU SHOULD NOW YOUR BIBLES BETTER

PStephens 2 years ago

Your title totally threw me off, but now I understand. That's pretty interesting. Never heard that before.

RB 2 years ago

Don't change the name, that is why I came here. i then realized it was not what I thought. I am always searching for answers and I have learned much here. Thanks.

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

In the latest versions of the Bible 1 John 2:22 reads like this: "Who is a liar but he that denieth Yahshua is the Messiyah? He is an antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son." In the older versions of the Bible when it was written in ancient Greek the same passage reads like this:

"??? ????? ? ??????? ?? ?? ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ? ??????????? ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ????".

If you translate the greek correctly then you will see that there is in fact a double negative. It reads: "Who is a liar but he who denies that Iesous is NOT the Christ, he is the antichrist denying the father and the son". A word omitted but quite a serious one. Do your own research before believing in what the priesthood has brainwashed you with. The first christians were persecuted because they knew the truth about christianity. Then the roman empire took over and perverted Christianity that ended up with what we have today. Antiquity is full of fakes, tamperings of scripts and suppresion of knowledge and it's not by accident.

People actually thought the Donation of Constantine was a true document until centuries later it was proved a forgery with the aim to justify the authority of the pope.

Also some food for thought:

Romans 1:22-23 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

Christianity today has exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible God into the image of a man. They want you focused on the human image of Jesus and scare you with Lucifer who doesn't even exist (the Lucifer in the Bible is a mention to the king of Babylon and the word Lucifer didn't exist in the original copies of the Bible) so that the church can keep having control over you, taking your money, pay no taxes and claim authority.

Wake up people and stop being sheep.

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

Well it should be quite obvious at this time and age that the vast majority (if not all) of the religions are ancient mind control schemes with the aim to keep people afraid, obedient, subservient and give power to a certain group of people. What keeps people hooked to this madness is fear and early life brainwashing. People don't want to risk setting themselves free from this slavory of the mind because they are afraid of the consequences. If someone needs fear to be a good person then something's wrong with them in the first place.

It's not an accident that knowledge, intellect and reason are declared as evil and Satanic in religions. These 3 ingredients are what exposes their lies and they have to fight them with all they have to remain in control.

Also it's very possible that the human depiction of Jesus is in fact the Antichrist, if there is a basis for some of the content in the Bible.

Mark 13:6 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." This can be very well interpreted as in many shall come in Jesus name claiming that HE is the Christ and shall deceive many. Remember that the deception will deceive many people and not just a few people. The majority today believes that Jesus is the Christ. Only a few believe otherwise.

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

The Talmud is not really very different either. A book written by Jews that claims that they are God's chosen people and all the others are inferior.

Strangely enough many "holy" books were written in the same general time period (2nd-6th century AD) and sprung after the Egyptian and Babylonian teachings and empires. It's a power struggle between different forces.

So no it's not a Talmudist BS trick or any trick for that matter. All that matters is the truth.

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

Maybe because you have been programmed to think that anything different or an opinion that deviates from the brainwashing is immediately negative/evil.

I'm not a Gnostic either. Gnostics think that the God of the Bible is an imperfect God that created the Universe and that there is a superior Godhead above the creator. Theosophy has been influenced from Gnosticism through Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and in my opinion it's also related to modern Luciferianism.

You can keep trying but you'll realize that I have no agenda but to express my opinion on what I believe is a closer truth (and getting closer as years go by because it's a continuous path that might never reach a final stage).

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

Also it's important to never believe anything until you do you own research and prove it yourself. Those who have something to gain from a theory or agenda are usually spreading lies or half truths to confuse people.

EsotericWisdom33 2 years ago

I realize now that this is a blog of some sort and this is your hub (space) so it's the wrong place to discuss this subject especially since you are not really open to discussion but are keen to condemn and ridicule as far as I can tell by your replies.

I read some of your other subjects and they're pretty interesting. Your "empty" replies here are not really interesting though as you dodge any serious discussion.

Goodbye and good luck with your Delayed Pattern Sleep Disorder.

miguel miller 23 months ago

its also possible that lucifer may not be satan as most people think

Nicole 23 months ago

His name is not Jesus. It is Yeshua!!

jaYne 22 months ago

ahh...not an avid nor well deciphered reader of the bible am i, but your article read as thought full…my mind liked it because your view on the subject was presented in an absorbable way…i’ve been lean on spirituality for long but i seek for some truth… absorbing truth is like breathing in fresh oxygen when you are gasping for air..if you are almost bleu in the face, it might take a few deep gulps before you get the full effect of the air that a depleted 'body' demands to live; from it, the sweet inhales release and free (for a time) the human from it's shackle of bodily death..

just like air, so does the truth energize and lift and strengthen the dying spirit within..

truth of the Word, if you want to believe it, sets the soul free from angers/desires/

comforts/jealousies/hatreds, etc that imprison the spirit in this earthly form..

just as air gives life to our mortal form, the Creator's word of truth gives life forever to the spirit of Him who breathed into us His eternity..

ever since i was a young kid, i had found it difficult to absorb some of the teachings/

preachings imposed religious[ful]ly.. i wanted to understand and couldn't quite figure it out but something seemed somehow not right, these 'interpretations' of the bible -so sharp in contrast to it's writings that it felt almost like a slap in the face..

i am thankful for the time getting older has allowed me to be less worried about the world and less careless of how i spend my time in it yet i do have conflicting thoughts on some subjects in the Book...

i obviously have quite a ways before enlightenment as i can construe the Word of it’s meanings...at times, wanton laziness curbs the yearn for truth…still it is nice to be alive and experience human life (as we greedily devour and deplete the earth of it’s splendour)…but whatever the excuse, the feeling lurks that the body chains the soul....my spirit wants to be free but i’m no angel, so i see it as good to appreciate or learn to appreciate That which is greater than the dust from which all man came…and since fathoming the why of creation is mind boggling, it is still incredible that we were [created]…

if the Creator gifted us with His spirit, it’s makes the journey to infinite knowledge (whether it is attainable) at least a little more exciting…

so thank you, SanctusVesania, for making the effort to not take advantage of how easy it is to take advantage of the Words for a selfish advantage…..

Melzora 21 months ago

I stumbled on this page because of what I believed to be a confusion in the terms Morning Star used for both Jesus and Satan/Lucifer. Then as I was reading the understanding that has be shed to this confusion, I came upon the notion that perhaps( Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in hi strength Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit.Rev.1:18 I am he that lives and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore Amen: and have the keys of hell and death. Rev.13:12 And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and caused the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed)these things Jesus said are true, more over Jesus plainly states in Matt4:10 Get behind me Satan for it is written, You shall worship the Lord thy God and him only shall thou serve. Matt 10:34 pretty much says it all Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say to you, here is Christ, or there believe it not. Then he also calls himself the Son of Man Matt 24:30 and 24:37,Luke 22:70, Then said they all, Are you the Son of God? And Jesus said to them, You say that I am. John 9:35 but even here he does not call himself Son of God, but asks if they believe in the on the Song of God. John 10:36 he says he is the Son of God but Read all of John 10 where the Jews stone Jesus for Blasphemy. I know I have laid out a lot of scripture to read, but I have had my nose in the good book daily for about 5 years now and have come to a drastic conclusion, that Jesus as good and kind as he seemed was sent to test our love of God, to let us prove that God is the only one we should worship. I am sorry if I offend anyone here Christians especially, in reading I have come to believe, Jesus never said God and I are one, he said I and my Father are one... and as stated above the only times he refers to himself as the Son of God is as third person. Tricky, tricky are the words spoken out of both sides of the mouth, or two edged sword for that matter. He speaks in riddles to confuse those who do not have the ability to only worship God. Just one more thing to ponder, In Hebrews 5 I recommend reading the whole of it, but 5:13-14 For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (continue to read ch 6 as if not separated and it goes on to say) Therefore LEAVING the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on to perfection (maturity), not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God. Jesus was the milk for those who could not yet believe in God and God alone.... I started out as a Christian, and now I don't know what to call myself, Jew is incorrect as well. So you tell me could it be possible that Jesus and The Light bringer/ Lucifer is one and the same. Maybe he was to be the the first of Two, and the second is the Salvation of man, seeing as how this world is not as peaceful as it should be if the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand......

Melzora 21 months ago

Also please forgive the typo's this was a lot of work, to look up the scripture and post it as well. I do apologize if I have offended anyone. I did not intend to offend, just to share some very hard studies and I ask to please consider my feelings and not to ridicule me but just to agree to disagree. I am not saying I am right or that my findings are infallible just putting ideas to ponder and get feedback as to how true it rings with others.

Leo 21 months ago

(Warning: You´ll think I´m insane :-))

I just had an interesting experience... I was tormented as I always am by trying to make sense of this existence, and luckily(!) I don´t have it as "easy" as most of you since I was raised atheisticely.

I was was having an inner "dialogue" and I felt kinda blessed, I asked questions and I got answers. Answers which I did like... I felt quite burdened, as if I have a heavy load to carry, and it was made to be understood that this could be lifted from me and that I should invite him(my guest speaker :p) into me. I also had an _orgasmic_ feeling in my body, really, pure flesh lust.

I closed my eyes and I saw "a light at the end of the tunnel", then a single eye and finally a coloured likeness which even I could instantly identify as Jesus Christ.

However, I was instantly more than distrustful. Why?

First I did not like that invitation stuff- sounded like demons or vampires. My body is MY temple, thank you. Also, this flesh lust, this "orgasmic feeling", I did not like it as I did not know it´s source("Hello? Who am I having sex here with?!") and it put images in my mind which I did not like.

And a little later I come here and, coincidence of course, I browse through the comments and what do my eyes spot? A comment by sroberts9:

"...he describes himself as the light but, basically the kind of light he is, as my Dad would best describe, a light at the end of a tunnel which you think is good - finally the light has come you say! But, as it approaches closer you will see that it's a train and you are strapped to the tracks."

And then it hit me: THAT´S ALL SATAN CAN DO. He knows no LOVE; he only knows this pure blind lust whith which to manipulate our bodies. Maybe he even thinks that´s love! Maybe that even works on people who don´t know love!

So I did something I wanted to do in a while and I read the book of revelations(haven´t read much of the bible I confess!) and now you´ll hate me:

God is LOVE and FORGIVENESS.

That "God" in revelations is Satan who has installed himself as God and tries to make people... love him? HAHA he can´t! How could he! He tries to make them FEAR him and that´s in there, 14:7 "He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory,"" ! He goes at them until they are so completely devastated that they worship him... if you chose him as your God SO BE IT HAVE FUN GUYS!

Let´s look at this guy a little closer.

16:9

"They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."

Let me give you that one a little more truthful:

"They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of SATAN who made himself out to be GOD, who had control over these plagues, AND NATURALLY they refused to repent and glorify him."

COME ON the logic. He tortures them and by that they shall be brought to glorify him! I had a boy with me in elementary school who used to hit people, even ones he liked. One day a teacher said something that stuck with me: "He doesn´t know how to make friends and get attention, so that´s how he makes them give him attention."

He has some sort of creature near his throne which supposedly does nothing, day and night, but cry out how holy he is! Now are you AS WICKED in your hearts that your are not able to see that a true god would not be in need of such IDIOCY. This is a sign of him being the one who wants to be like god because of course he knows that he is not god, but he does not want to know, so he blocks thoughts like that with this... things! They are there to convince him of his own lie.

Now stop bending your mind and making EXCUSES. To my WORST ENEMY I would not wish the treatment "God" D: gives your human brothers and sisters in his hellish nightmare called revelations. STOP saying "I don´t understand but oh well... I´m sure it will be just! I just don´t see why but he knows!"

Oh how it releases you! How intriguingly easy! It makes you puke a little all those evil uhm noo I mean holy and just things but that´s ok. "God" is great, kiss his feet, halleluja.

A: Follow Satan. It´s easy.

B: Lift up your own burden and be tormented by the wicked one.

Which one will offer greater rewards for you, I´m sure you know. But the easy path... I don´t recommend it.

Rookie70 20 months ago

I have a question for anyone. Please help me out, I am a confused Christian. I understand that Adam, and maybe Eve too, were instructed by God to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What I don't understand is, why was that tree placed in the garden in the first place? Would it not have been in God's interest to exclude that tree from the garden? I am a believer, but I am confused about a number of things. I don't mind correction or reproof. I'd appreciate any enlightenment. thanks

Ophite 20 months ago

Jesus = "Lucifer"

This is something that those of us who have been branded as "heretics" have known for nearly 20 centuries.

Now, examine the word "Sophia" and research the Wisdom Literature. Take a look at the Christian theosophical liturature of the 18th Century (and I don't mean the much later Mme. Blavatsky garbage) -- try Jacob Boehme.

Another thing to think about: Christ is analogous to the Brazen Serpent of Moses.

Robert 19 months ago

how do we know that satan was never lucifer i know it does not say it in the bible. did lucifer really fall from heaven or not

osanippa 19 months ago

I completely understand everyones frustration. The truth I have found is this....NOONE KNOWS THE TRUTH!!! And noone ever will until they have come face to face with their creator. Possibilities are endless. Some things just make better sense than others. We live and learn during the coarse of our lives by our own individual experiences. Therefore what may be true for one is not always true for another. Even the things we are taught in Grade School may not be true for all we know. I for one have never looked at an Atom through a microscope and have never been on the moon. I've never been to Israel and never even seen Time Square. I HAVE experienced many things that are similar to what I have mentioned therefore I can faithfully say I BELIEVE it is true. However I cannot say anything is absolute without having experienced it for myself. I believe the best we can do in this lifetime is live our experiences and observations and use them as a means to improve our human character. Try to do the right things not only for ourselves but for society as a whole. Simply be loving, caring, and kind people. If you choose to be a member of a church, follow the scriptures not the people. Form your own opinion on what the scriptures tell YOU. When you do this I'm sure you will discover that there are many people who interpret things quite differently. Let them. I believe we all have unique tasks to fulfill in this lifetime for our own individual growth. Once we fulfill them we move on to our next task and it continues throughout our spiritual evolution. Happiness can be easily attained with absolutely nothing of material value. God has given us eachother. Our friends, family, children and loved ones are all we need to live a joyful and happy life. Seek for things that can improve the lives of us all.

Mick 19 months ago

I can understand the Jesus/Lucifer confusion but it strikes me that Lucifer is associated with a false light ie. the tree of knowledge (which causes arrogance) and fell to earth in the old testament. Jesus's first coming was thousands of years later to warn us of the false light that we have 'fallen' for. A warning in time for the end times when the tree and it's followers will be cast away (ie cut down). Is this not the case?

ChristianSoldier 18 months ago

So let me get this clear and as simple as possible.

This article is about how "Lucifer", King of Bab, Fallen Cherub, is THE ANTI-CHRIST.

Jesus is the TRUE Lucifer, the TRUE Son of Dawn!? Am i correct?

Gabrielle 17 months ago

I agree with Mick. Nobody knows the complete truth until we meet with the creator or a higher power in spirituality. For that I'd like to use the term "death". But I would like to, despite all this, to share my beliefs and overall what I know about "Lucifer".I'll start out by saying that I'm not an atheist but I don't really worship a god, I just believe there is one. As Mick said, we'll find out when our time on Earth is out. I believe that Lucifer WAS one of the twelve archangels of heaven. I disagree that he's Satan. I also don't believe that Jesus is "lucifer" I take of him more like a prophet. Now the reason of why Lucifer (the archangel) has fallen from heaven, according to my information, is the influence of the 'dragon' that caused the war at Heaven named Leviathan (one of the four princes of Hell; also the serpent that seduced Eve, a.k.a creator of Lilith.) I've heard that Leviathan himself is the Devil but I'm not sure of it. And about the name Lucifer (or word) I'm guessing it's because Lucifer(the archangel) used to be a seraphim (burning ones). But that is only my thought, I've got no arguments on it. Also, I believe that Lucifer(archangel) is the first and ONLY son of God and that Jesus is a prophet. I hope I got you interested. Best regards, Gabrielle.

Don Christ 17 months ago

Jesus is the christ therefore who is the christ. satan and jesus are brothers therefore they have a connection...god was once man we may become gods...the antichrist is the pope AMEN ishallah my brothers and bitches

St. Devil 17 months ago

It has been proven my bible scholars that Lucifer is in fact Jesus. There is no mention at all of Lucifer being the devil in the bible stories. In fact in the original biblical scripts Jesus was never called a god he was a man was called an angel who was condemned to earth for ruining the nations and by his death the nations he cause to fall will be able to rise again.

Most of the Christians and Catholics say Jesus and Lucifer are different cause they pick and chose from the bible what to believe in. And the ones they do believe in they twist around to go with what they want to be true.

Kyle 17 months ago

Well here's something to light the powder keg under your feetl:

Have you ever quesionted WHY Satan got accused of rebelling with a quarter of his angels?

The real truth is much more darker but I'll just tell you that the only crimes Satan are accused of his being "The Father of Lies" for standing up to the truth and not backing down on whatever the rebellion was about:

God has done more crimes against nations and cities then anything Satan has ever done if you read The Bible with an open spirit:

Now enjoy my love bomb sent to you and yes love hurts.

Stefos 17 months ago

Lucifer is good, is the light, must be as America has Lucifer as a symbol of liberty ! The statue of liberty who is actually Lucifer. The spikes around the head are the sun rays and the torch is the light. check out this picture which was painted in 1887 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lucifero.gif you will notice in his left hand the torch and his head has sun spikes just like the statue of liberty.

keith talbot 16 months ago

hi everyone, lucifer will come to earth for apocpelypise?

Justavoice 15 months ago

The true GOD is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. God wants us like children before him and God is with us at all times. God's messengers are not to be worshiped, man is not to be worshiped. We have be deceived and the serpent has held our gaze. Awaken for when your eyes are open, the serpents masks are revealed. You need no middle man to pray to God. God is before you now. You will be with out sin if you hold this true to your hearts for that is where God resides.

Is astrology not considered wicked in the eyes of God? Isaiah 47:13-14, Jeremiah 10:2-3. Why then was Jesus found through the wicked practice and his life spared? The Magi - the wisemen - astrologers. Sourcers! You have been decieved! All the studying of the scriptures could not lure you further from the truth. God is here, now, do not rationalize for your sin or give yourselves margin of error. You would not sin if you knew your god. Your sin is in your hearts for you live for self, your imagination and your vanity. Who are you praying to? God is before you! All men are created equal, do not exalt any man above thy GOD or above thy self! God does not need titles, names, or Idols. All limit God's power and lead you astray. "I am" says God. God doesn't need to prove himself through miracles, the miracle of life is before you. Trickery, Magicians, the occult has fooled us all.

Prog 14 months ago

Okay, So, who is Jesus and what did he do with Emmanuel?

Seriously, so The Angel of the Lord came to Mary and tells her she should name God’s son, Emmanuel (or Immanuel) which means God is with us.

Why would She call him an Oddly European name that sounds and is spelled similar to Zeus?

Is Jesus Emmanuel’s Greek nickname? What does Jesus mean? And why are people commanding things in the name Jesus instead of his real name?

Hmmm, why don’t people hold up signs at ball games that read the “Kingdom Is Within” Isn’t that the real message of Emmanuel? God’s is with us and the Kingdom Is Within?

MYTMIKE 13 months ago

I have a great What If? Theory probably never heard but quite possible..which many of you will consider Blasphemy but whatever.... WHAT IF? When the True Messiah Emmanuel was born.. King Herod and the Magi did indeed catch up to Mary and Joseph and had The Son of God Killed, as they were searching for the first borns..and replaced the Baby Emmanuel with Jesus son of Man,,Son of David as refered to numerous times in the Bible,,Josephs side of the Family.. So the True Messiah didnt get a chance to live..But only in Heaven with his Father and will come again to save us...So Basically the Jesus Christ in the Bible could very well be the Anti Christ as it was said the Anti Christ will seem to be Good and even perform miracles.. Just like think of If the Messiah came to this Earth again the same way,,,Through Birth,What would happen? He would probably be taken switched at Birth.and be sacrificed to Most of Mankinds God Satan himself... and I never finish thing off with Amen because that was Egyption,, I like ending things with..HALLELUYAH

Garry Minor 13 months ago

Cannabis and the Christ

In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist named Sula Benet discovered that in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament the word "kaneh bosm"(?????-??????) was translated as "calamus" or fragrant cane by the Greeks when they first rendered the Books in the 3rd century B.C., then propagated as such in all future translations from the original Greek without review, including Martin Luthers. During that same time period Hebrew slowly ceased to be used as a spoken language. It wasn't until the late 1800's that a man named Eliezer Ben-Yehuda revived it once again. Benet concluded through years of substantial research and etymological comparison that the correct translation of "kaneh bosm" should be "cannabis." In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that indeed "kaneh bosm" is cannabis. Ben-Yehuda's 1964 Hebrew-English dictionary confirms this fact, page 140. The Biblical “Canon,” from the Greek “Kanon,” meaning; "to measure, to rule, straight, upright," is also derived from the Hebrew word "kaneh"(?????). In fact we now know that all early religions used cannabis and, or, other psychotropic plants as sacraments. Calamus was used by ancient peoples and still today as an aphrodisiac and stimulant, its active chemical asarone is a precursor to the psychedelic MDMA, ecstasy.

Benet traced the use of cannabis back to a group of early nomadic peoples called the Scythians whom the Greek historian Herodotus observed in the 5th century B.C., after funerals, throwing cannabis buds on hot stones, inhaling the vapors, and howling with joy. She goes on to say; “Since the history of cannabis has been tied to the history of the Scythians, it is of interest to establish their appearance in the Near East. Again, the Old Testament provides information testifying to their greater antiquity than has been previously assumed. The Scythians participated in both trade and wars alongside the ancient Semites for at least one millennium before Herodotus encountered them in the fifth century B.C. The reason for confusion and the relative obscurity of the role played by the Scythians in world history is explained by the fact that they were known to the Greeks as Scythians but to the Semites as Ashkenaz. Identification of the Scythian-Ashkenaz as a single people is convincingly made by Ellis H. Minns (1965) in his definitive work on Scythians and Greeks. The earliest reference to the Ashkenaz people appears in the Bible in Genesis 10: 3, where Ashkenaz, their progenitor, is named as the son of Gomer, the great-grandson of Noah.

In Exodus 30:23 GOD instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of "kaneh bosm" in the oil for anointing all Priests, and later Kings and Prophets, for all generations to come, including that of Jesus and even today as the title Christ/Messiah means literally; "covered in oil, Anointed." "Kaneh" is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The error was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19, where "kaneh, kaneh bosm" are translated as calamus or sweet cane. There are 141 references to the anointing and 145 to burning incense in the standard Bible. However, not all pertain. Read the Book!

Much has been learned regarding the role of cannabis and human development since Benet discovered the error over seventy years ago, and with these revelations along with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi Library, certain Apocrypha, and a closer examination of the Bible, we find that in order to be called worthy of the title "Christian" one has to be anointed with the very Holy Oil as described in the original Hebrew text of Exodus. Johns water baptism is incomplete and any other oil counterfeit. Jesus came to free the restricted Holy Oil and make Anointed Priests of all those with ears to hear his message, baptizing with fire and the Holy Spirit, the “Chrism.” The Anointing is symbolic of being baptized in the “Holy Spirit.” It is synonymous with the Laying on of hands and also called the Seal, Unction, Advocate, and Counselor. It is "the Way." Under the old covenant Priests were ordained to stand between God and the people, Jesus died so that all believers could become Anointed Priests before the Lord. A chosen people, a royal Priesthood, a Holy nation. Ex 40:12-16, 1 Peter 2:4-10, Rev 1:6, 5:10, 20:6

Cyril of Jerusalem;

For as Christ after His Baptism, and the visitation of the Holy Ghost, went forth and vanquished the adversary, so likewise ye, after Holy Baptism and the Mystical Chrism, having put on the whole armour of the Holy Ghost, are to stand against the power of the adversary, and vanquish it, saying, I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

“Having been counted worthy of this Holy Chrism, ye are called Christians, verifying the name also by your new birth. For before you were deemed worthy of this grace, ye had properly no right to this title, but were advancing on your way towards being Christians.” 

Having been anointed, therefore, with this holy ointment, keep it unspotted and unblemished in you, pressing forward by good works, and being made well-pleasing to the Captain of your salvation, Christ Jesus, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Cannabinoids are proven to destroy tumors, promote the growth of brain cells, inhibit the plaque that causes Alzheimer's, kill deadly MRSA, and safely treat hundreds or diseases. It's seed is the single most nutritionally complete food source on earth, and, the plant can produce anything made from oil, coal, timber, or cotton, over 25,000 earth friendly products.

The leaves of the Tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse.

MYTMIKE 13 months ago

Cannabis take out the C- you got annubis ..do Your homework ...IM All set with all that noise Satan,Baal,Lucifer & Hey-Zeus,,,can all Kiss my Butt...and enjoy Annihlation once n for all...I worship God only the Gr8 IAM.. Creator of the universe,, not your god of this Earth the shapeshifter himself.. and people say Well how will God accomplish getting rid of all evil once and for all...When all have or will turn away,,through deception..Well God still has Immanuel.His Loyal Warrior Michael Archangel,,and a very small Flock..on his side .. so There is Hope..........Never Surrender..

Secret 13 months ago

The title of "son of the morning" in that passage is being used sardonically. :)

Jason 13 months ago

jesus IS Lucifer, he has taken all focus on the true God, he is awarded faith from the multitudes rather than God, and he is building an army AGAINST God. It is too back feeble, weak-minded people cannot figure this out.

Shaun 12 months ago

Jesus is a name that symbolizes peace, love and forgiveness. You could say many different things about what you think the bible's reference to him means, but the message is crystal clear. I personally don't have any clue as to whether or not he is the one and only son of God. I wasn't alive when he was, and even if I was, I don't know that I would have believed it then. What I do know an awful lot about is Satan and evil. Satan is the absence of existence, and the force behind the tearing away of life. A virus, such as AIDS, would be a form of Satan. Other forms would include rabid beasts(such as wolves,etc.), and vultures. When it comes to human beings, Satan is found to have these main characteristics, although others are certainly involved: Arrogance, as in justifying all wrongs as necessary. Depravity, such as living in filth and taking advantage of weak pray. Rage and Terror fit the bill as well. And yes, it's favorite emotion to use against humans is of course, Jealousy. Satan's jealousy of life has always been the driving force behind it's "evil",(which of course is life spelled backwards, coincidence?)

Shaun 12 months ago

I meant "live" spelled backwards. Whoops! And one other thought, perhaps leaning towards a Christian viewpoint. This is pure speculation, but perhaps God sent himself down to earth in the form of a man, whom in the bible is referred to as Jesus of Nazareth, simply so we would have a name to call God, and a message to go with it that is awfully difficult to refute as being bad or "evil." And besides, I've always liked saying fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If Jesus wasn't the son of God, then shame on him for his wonderful message of kindness and thanksgiving towards God for all that we have, while behind the curtain's, he wanted us all to worship him and then suffer for it. If,on the other hand, some other modern day "messiah" tries to step forward and claim to be God, without a righteous message, then shame on me for not believing that it was ever possible.

SongOfDeborah 12 months ago

The reason why latin Lucifer is there is because Roman pagan symbol was a Crescent moon and venus star...called the star of Diana & Lucifer. Hilal ben shachar-also can mean crescent moon venus star(shining one brightness).

Its the symbol of Islam which traces to Baal worship or Shiva the destoyer in hindu carries this symbol too. Though Shiva is Saturn---Saturn was the black sun and the cube(venus worship)...

nirnif 10 months ago

Nothing wrong with a little devilry now and then. Even Jesus wasn't always a good boy. And with numbers or obscure passages from old books you can prove anything, depending on the twists and turns you take. In the end it's the humans doing the evil things. 11

Angela 8 months ago

I agree with your statements completely. I read on the internet that Lucifer means, "light-bringer." Despite all of this though. What confused me most was that Jesus proclaims that he is the light of the world.

John 8:12-30 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Also, Revelations 22:16: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Now what does the bible say about Lucifer or Satan: John 8:44:

For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Suffice to say this tells us about the nature of the devil. He hates truth! He is a liar and the father of lies. Jesus represents truth: John 14:6:

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

Jesus here states that he is the light of the world, the bright morning star, and also the way, the truth and the life. The devil is portayed as a wicked abomination who enjoys distorting the truth. Since there is no truth in him. How can there be any honesty. The internet makes it easier for us to believe all of the untruths.

Wishing you the best,

Angela

Isaac 8 months ago

You have stated some facts about Jesus and Lucifer. I want to tell you on thing that Lucifer was made by Jesus himself and Jesus bestow him with extraordinary power that means Lucifer possessed the characteristics of Jesus, there is no doubt about it. Before being thrown out from the Heaven he was beloved angel of Jesus that means Jesus made him for the good, to bring light in the universe but when he disobeyed Jesus then Jesus threw him out from the heaven. And after that Lucifer started doing evil with the same power what he got from Jesus. So, there is no surprise if both are called as morning star in the scripture but Lucifer is just a drop of light and Jesus is The eternal ocean of Light. Lucifer may have the same qualities as Jesus have but Lucifer has in very little amount and the actions of Lucifer are only evil, he can do good things but he is not willing to do. Jesus is above all evils and good. Jesus brings evil and good. Jesus brought destruction on earth by rain in time of Noah and Jesus was crucified to save the world. Don't forget that our Jesus is the Lord of wrath as well as love. HE destroys the person who don't believe in HIM and HE love the person who believe in HIM.

Gert Rossouw 8 months ago

Hebrew 3000 years old IsraEL 4200 years old. Hebrew was not the language of IsraEL. And the Jews is not the chosen people of the ALMIGHTY CREATOR, the pure white race is. The Jews is the chosen people of satan like jesus christos the morning star!!!!!

luther 8 months ago

lucifer is the son of jesus and jusus is the son of god, ther'er all one. lucifer is the baby of all and the devill is the deciver of the world he is not lucifer. he is call satan,

truesalvation2011 7 months ago

Please dont read anything into my screen name, it does not mean Im a bible thumping Christian. It simply means that since I was led to read the bible this year, that my life has been forever changed this year. It is the eye opener that my gut knew all along when I was young. Before this year 1) the bible didnt make any sense to me, so I closed it within minutes of opening it every time 2) I had a gut feeling that the Jesus piece was being misunderstood and mis presented which was why I could never call myself a Christian. I would use standard reasons of "oh, he was so followed and revered that maybe someone stole his body and he began to heal." Or, "maybe he didnt really die as we all know today our heart rates can slow and weaken so much that back in that day they would have thought him dead..."

As I began my study of Matthew first and then Isaiah (for a bible study class... I do go to church to listen to the sermons) and I was hooked! I could not believe what I was seeing. I decided to re-read revelations (I had skipped through it years back but couldnt piece it together) and all the announcements in Jesus' words were clear as day... I cant remember where I saw this but the morning star is stated to be the one sitting at the right hand of God. It was said in the Gospels that he should take his place at the right hand of God and my jaw dropped!

I thought I was the only one who saw a connection that the "revelation" is that Jesus is not the lamb of God... that is Jacob/Israel. Michael who comes on his white horse is the Lord of Hosts who guides Israel, Jesus was the "beast" of the sea (living waters reference that he says in Matthew, he preached for 3 1/2 years as stated in rev he would do, he had a deadly wound that was healed, he was granted authority to perform miracles and challenge the saints... he who has an ear let him hear that I am telling you to keep the commandments.. the patience of the saints) and he appointed Paul and Peter to spread the word about Jesus (the role is right there in black and white in rev about the beast of the earth).

Does this mean I believe Jesus is evil? Nope. I do believe he came as the accuser with the sword (announced in Matt 10) to test people on their faith and obedience to the God the Father, who sent Jesus. Look back in Malachi, Jeremiah and Isaiah and Ezekiel and you will find announcements of the curse to come that will cleanse the people and rid the world of the sin... not ransom sin. What a bogus excuse to not be accountable to God for your own sins... over and over in the OT it is proclaimed that no longer will the sons be chastised for the wrongdoings of their fathers, but to each his own reward... even Jesus says this! Die for the sin of man does not mean... all your sins are pardoned bc I die... it means pride of man is what killed him. He was going to be spared until the people were asked for guidance on what to do with Jesus. They called out crucify him and were so sure of it that they made an exchange to free the prisoner and kill Jesus... in their pride they believed they were right. God knew this would happen, knowing the heart of man to be prideful to a fault. Thou shalt not kill, but they all chose to do it. Early in my reading I thought that Jesus may have been the one foretold in Dt 18, but not so sure anymore. John the Baptist maybe, Isaiah or Jeremiah... or maybe he hasnt come yet. Jesus was one sent to test and to weed out the good from the bad. He did not get alot of people to begin worshiping him, Paul and Peter did... Jesus was worshiped in the Gospel somewhere and his did not turn the person away but did not say to do or continue it... he spoke in parables and riddles to make the person come to the decision... that showed what was in his heart. People were commanded not to bow down to others, or create images... I mean forget about all the little laws that came on how to conduct your daily lives... those are mitzvahs.. good deeds, not laws. 10 Commandments were laws to heed, and still are.

When I post long responses sometimes I lose track of where I started bc I cant see it... I hope this makes sense and you are still on this board (post is 2 yrs old).

Sincerely, an independent follower of God:)

Damon Sanchez 7 months ago

Yes, Yes. But Isn't everyone missing the point. While we are all trying to point fingers of Who was Jesus or Who was Lucifer. What people forget time and time again is that the Bible "is" a story. Compiled many-many-many time over with the intent not to point the lens at a particular person or persons as "He/She" or "They" but to point the lens with-in to "I". The concept that Jesus and Lucifer are one in the same speaks volumes about the dual nature of our own souls. We are composed of both Dark and Light, Good and Evil, Male and Female etc.

Well that's my two cents. Interesting Topic.

Lolen 7 months ago

Why does Jesus says, I Jesus sent my Angel to testify that I am the Morning light and the root of David? Is not the context says that Jesus commanded him that the angel should pronounce his name that they may look forward this angel who is the guide to bring them back to Jesus Christ in heaven? Is not Jesus who has taught him what to speak because an angel is a messenger right? If you have a messenger and teach him what he has to say? The angel will be ready what to say. Simple. I wonder that it will be great challenge for all because the Antichrist will challenge against the Lucifer who is the Guide of God and will try to confound people and it s conflict like Armageddon war. So, men has got to choose the right and it will be hard to choose right and wrong because it will be a competence.

Son of Man 7 months ago

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hova 7 months ago

lucifer is god! jesus is a fraud and got his power from lucifer, until jesus turned on him.

Godson 6 months ago

Hi Sanctus Vesania, let me know who is morning star? who is light bringer?

my suggestion on this, Jesus is the morning star(i agree on this). light(Morning Star) bringer is Lucifer(May john in the baptist). pls just put the commands on this...

pryzmcat 6 months ago

HI, I'm pryzmcat. I like to read and learn about different things, and I find this discussion interesting. Can anyone tell me how many different religions there are in the world? Just wondering...and also please tell me how any one religion can possibly claim to be the only right one? I would like to hear any answer besides " because we say so" Because as human beings living on a diverse planet it seems that those who do the 'im saying so, so that makes me right" are the ones who are the least spiritually evolved, in my opinion, when anyone touts a religion of peace yet seems justified in using war to propagate thier belief, that is not strength, that is weakness. That means you have to defend yourself, and you are not stable. Yeshua said 'he who seeks to save his life, shall lose it", it's very simple, and this is also echoed in many other modes of faith and thought. I like to read about different religions and philosophies, and find a golden kernal of Truth in everyone of them, I think and feel that God( or whatever one wishes to call thier Higher Power) is inherant in all things and in the minds of all beings, other wise how else could God be Omnipotent? I know that millions and millions of people have lost thier lives fighting over which religon is right" because we say so" perhpas the aborigine peoples and simple peoples are closer to God than any of us barbarians who run around brandishing Holy Books and killing in the names of our 'God(s), and, if there is an Adversary, he is laughing while at the wheel of a fiery chariot and we are in the backseat oblivious to our destination, saying all is such and so, when we should be living the Word written in our hearts and minds, not in any book, because as Mark Twain's charlatan character said on the soapbox while holding up a Bible," Behold!! The Brazen serpent in the wilderness!"

shine pure white light thru a pryzm, and you get all the colors of the rainbow, and then some!

Many blessings, good luck labeling me..it's fun to watch you try:)

Gemsong 6 months ago

I wandered by and found this hub and wanted to tell you that I found it fascinating. I have always had an interest in the roots of things and reading this has feed that interest. Wonderful job.

QuietCypher 4 months ago

Nice! Thank you for sharing.

Karen Russell 4 months ago

Great Hub, you be on it, HOtep FAmily!

Melan9ne 4 months ago

Jesus/Lucifer are not who's they're more of what's. Jesus is supposed to represent the good and Lucifer who has also been called satan or the devil is supposed to represent evil. Good & evil of what you ask, YOURSELF! You're not going to sit up here and tell me that THE Creators condemned one man/being to wreak havoc on earth and then sent one man/being to save us all. Hell no, there are Go(o)d PEOPLE and (D)evil PEOPLE. We were created with a balance that's why we have two of almost everything. Think about this, in cartoons when the character has a decision to make an angel pops up on one shoulder and a devil pops up on the other? The character is in the middle because in the end they have to make the ultimate decision and according to these text books we call Bibles, who makes the ultimate decision? God and the Devil are within us wether you wanna believe it or not, I could care less because belief is NOT knowledge. Here's some knowledge for you, six thousand africans were nailed to crosses along the Appian Way because they wanted their freedom and 73 years later Constantine & the Council of Nicea concocted the story of Jesus and hell the story of Jesus is not even original. Research Horus, Krishna, Dionysus, Zeus, Nimrod and Serapis all the same. These stories are stories of Nature and the word nature came from Ntr an ancient egyptian word for divine. If you ask me Jesus is takin a bit of an ass whoopin, because he was nowhere to be found when millions indigenous people with ancient wisdom as have been slaughtered and their decendants are being slaughtered today by these devils that are in power. For those of you who say it doesn't exist, The creators(God) of the universe do exist as well as the Violators(Devil), they exist because we exist. Stop trying to figure out how we got here when its obvious.

Michael 4 months ago

don't need to read all that, the title alone let me know you know not what you talk about nor understand that which you read..

obSERVENT 4 months ago

King James had scribes create !HIS! Version of the holy Scriptures after he took away the pwower of the papacy in England declaring himself the holy Roman emperor. King James's head was chopped of by the guillotine in the first ever public execution of a king. Many of the nobles did not like his associations with pagan nobles and land owners. His son was shortly after exiled. After years of England living under a crumbling republic Charles the second came out of exile. This is where we get the commonly used painting of Jesus with long reddish hair and beard. King James was of Scottish decent and he was also a shrewd business man of his times. Remember the new king James version is exactly what the title says...NEW king James VERSION. also the word Jesus and God are not found in Hebrew Scriptures. The word God derives from the word Gawd. An Assyrian deity of wealth and power. The word Jesus is a combination of the words JE and SUS. Je is Hebrew for Almighty (creator) and Sus is derived from zus or Zeus the Greek God of thunder and lightning.also the word for lord in Hebrew is Baal and I'm sure many of you know who that is. Remember this above all else. History is his story and he is the Victor.

celafoe 4 months ago

lucifer, if you read the scriptures in context WAS the king of babylon

Confused 4 months ago

I Just want to know the truth!! :(

Shelly 3 months ago

Really interesting read, thanks all for your input, look foward to hearing more from B.

Aaron 3 months ago

There is no firery hell that people burn in for eternity by the way. Read your Bible "very very" carefully Mr. Speaks!

jason smith 3 months ago

How about the nephilim and there return it says in the bible its will be as the days of Noah the only thing is were already here and have been for thousands of yr Wich only would be 100my yrs.

ISRAEL 3 months ago

TRUE ANTICHRIST THE REAL ONE THE REALY ONE IS A WOMAN THINKS THERE HIGHER THEN EVERYMAN POWER OF THE PUSS

a follower of the way 3 months ago

No man knows the Son without knowing the Father, and no one comes to the Father without knowledge of the Son. A person only knows the Father because the Father had chosen for them to know. In the begining the Father called all things into existence proclaiming the end from the begining, this includes the BOOK OF LIFE that contains all the names of the faithful. Accepting christ could not be an act of works because faith in and of itself is a gift from the Father bestowed upon those that were chosen by Him. If you have this faith in you, then rest in it for you are favored by the MOST HIGH, and if He be for you who can be against you for none can come close to the sovereignty of the LORD. Christ died to fulfill the entirety of the law, and we are allowed to partake in his death which brings us back into oneness with the Father, with Christ's resurrection we are raised from the death of our flesh into into a new life of the spirit and we await the day of the dawning of new robes. My brothers and sisters i tell you until that day come we will not know the complete truth, and looking for it from the understanding of man can only bring about a truth according to man, But GOD's ways are higher than ours just as his thoughts are. Be not as fools for they assume to know things which are not for them to know. If you are in christ and christ is in you then walk in the faith of the MOST HIGH and be led by the spirit, have peace, condemn not nor be condemned, but most of all through all things LOVE. Brothers and Sisters i pray you find peace by the authority given unto our Lord the Son of GOD who is Christ Jesus. Amen.

israel 3 months ago

A 1 x 9 = 9

B 2 x 9 = 18

C 3 x 9 = 27

D 4 x 9 = 36

E 5 x 9 = 45

F 6 x 9 = 54

G 7 x 9 = 63

H 8 x 9 = 72

I 9 x 9 = 81

J 10 x 9 = 90

K 11 x 9 = 99

L 12 x 9 = 108

M 13 x 9 = 117

N 14 x 9 = 126

O 15 x 9 = 135

P 16 x 9 = 144

Q 17 x 9 = 153

R 18 x 9 = 162

S 19 x 9 = 171

T 20 x 9 = 180

U 21 x 9 = 189

V 22 x 9 = 198

W 23 x 9 = 207

X 24 x 9 = 216

Y 25 x 9 = 225

Z 26 x 9 = 234

Now lets solve the great mystery!

L U C I F E R

108 + 189 + 27 + 81 + 54 + 45 + 162 = 666

M E S S I A H

117 + 45 + 171 + 171 + 81 + 9 + 72 = 666

J E S U S

90 + 45 + 171 + 189 + 171 = 666

G O S P E L

63 + 135 + 171 + 144 + 45 + 108 = 666

C R O S S

27 + 162 + 135 + 171 + 171 = 666

now geometric calculaters of 6 and the english alphabet, jesus comes out as 444 and so does lucifer = 444

israel 3 months ago

basically say jesus last name is lucifer,,,,,,,,and they bashed is head in because he was more loved then others like abel being favored over cain.

israel 3 months ago

one last thing if lucifer is his last name,and we know he had a brother then it would be as if jesus was one of many sons that sacrifced him self for people out of all the other children like your last name your a son of someone if you do something great your a son someone did something great.like people are stuck on 666 dwelling on it so what is michael# can his last name be lucifer also as tied into a family to the creator. we all know that perdition has children azazel, belguil,yoma this names are supposed to be angels 2 there children what were there last names some say it dint exist back then but then they realy cant explain how myans build there ancint tabernacle suppously dated before the deluge.also increments of 6 towards the alphabet like up above but doing 1x6=a-----2x6=b so forth a-z spell computer, terminals=these 2 words =666 so author of the language completly saycomputer was there invention and if the devil asked permission from god hay i will go down there asked for the money of the cpu they collected will they give it to me they proably say hell no ever tried that with bill gates then walked away say what if i was jesus or even say hi im jesus would you hand over keys to what your trying to cover up if say yes you passed a greedful test not you fail and be catgorized witht he rest of waht teachers call failures or to 7 heavens diffrent points of view.

Eko 3 months ago

To all of you discussing false and true Jesus figures (saviors) the term lucifer is not a name, but a title. same as Morning star, lightbringer (which is translated to lucifer). thing is that when the character changes, his title does. which means that the devil, or satan if you prefer once was a being of wisdom i.e Lightbringer. but is no longer.

so i fail to see how the argument that satan will come as a false christ has any proof. it simply means that both beings, jesus and satan, has at one point both been very wise. nothing more, nothing less.

sincerely

jennifer 3 months ago

you might want to see this , it says jesus is a false messiah cause the letter j is only 500 years old.

If thathttp://www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm and its true that jesus is actually lucifer then mary would be lilth.

Ken D. Webber 3 months ago

I have NOT read the comments above but I am writing to say your article is in serious error and should be amended. Hel-el is NOT in any way Lucifer. The story in Hebrew is an allegory created to answer the question of where the stars go in the daytime. This allegory used in Isaiah to put an evil Babylonian King in check as a taunt. The characters in the Canannite allegory are Elyon, represented by the Sun (Sol), his son Shaher, represented by the Planet Venus, and Elyon's wife Hel-el, represented by the abyss of nothingness. SHAHER is the lightbringer, NOT Hel-el. Shaher attempts to steal his father's secrets by seducing his wife. Elyon catches Shaher in the act and in a fit of rage hurls him into the abyss, which fertilizes the abyss and gives birth to a new day. Every day the stars, ruled by the Lightbringer, conspire to rule the sky, and every day the Sun banishes Shaher to the abyss and rules the sky. This story is also told by the Greeks and is basically the story of Prometheus. ANY lightbringer is a being who is giving mankind knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. There are good lightbringers and there are bad. In English we call a lightbringer a "TEACHER." So Shaher was one, but so is the prosopopoeia known as "Jesus" who was a product of the Order of Melchizedek.

zach 3 months ago

this doesnt really work, as jesus wasn't jesus's real name, and also the entire bible was based off of ancient sumerian scriptures from over 6000 years ago, so you cant really believe most of what you find

Jennifer 3 months ago

it also is said that jesus is another form of, zeus,eliseus,Iesous, even Amen,Amen-ra. all surpposely equal to 666.

Michael Ægidius 2 months ago

"Man" is fallible; and "Man" wrote every single letter in any religious text, throughout the time! Please try not to take "Mans" creation/letter so literal!

napen1 2 months ago

But in the Holy Bible, it is Jesus really that is mentioned in the prophecy, read this page - http://thename.ph/thename/testimony/jes10-en.html, it is clear as it is written, and the cause of it is also to be found here in http://thename.ph/thename/testimony/jes09-en.html, because he was to fulfill a prophecy to introduce God to his people only,http://thename.ph/thename/testimony/jes06-en.html. I read this in this website, it gives a perfect explanation why Jesus died early and failed in his mission. - www.thename.ph

Roshinaya 2 months ago

I can no one read? but anyway... a different response, more to the star and planets the Venus which maps a path of a pentagon across the sun, on top of the fact that all these books help people to think and debate when under close examination, explore maths ethics and so on, is it not a old development tool? it has astromical references math,geological,historical,science and spiritual....all these help us to become better people. As for your deduction good work i read about this ten years ago, it changed my life. (LUXFIAT) was the latin word i found, but in truth lies Truth, and faith alone can not bear witness to Truth, Love and true understanding is the only Truth we need Thats the message from the Universe. everything else is a by-prouduct and Cronus or something bigger gonna happen if we all don't change. can we live in peace, can the earth rest in peace, do we deserve this planet or salvation if we can't maintain peace on this planet or with ourselves? were debating scriptures while people die? are we for real Forget the books change the reality. and call it what you want but our words could not comprehend so lets not try, even moses and whoever.R23 TIOA

Revelator 2 months ago

What happens is very simple: Jesus = Lucifer = The Devil, period.

les 2 months ago

Adam is the one who fell from his heavenly state in the garden.Isaiah 14:12 is talking about fallen Adamic race in rebellion against God.Adam was the one who rebelled not the devil.The devil was evil from the beginning,from his creation. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the fire of coals, and bringeth forth a weapon for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.Read Bill Britton writing on lucifer.

Joe 8 weeks ago

Wait a minute!! You use the NIV version of Isaiah knowing its not the original Hebrew to come up with morning star when in fact its "son of the morning"

Dane 7 weeks ago

I believe we all need to ask the Holy

spirit some questions. Did God really mean it when he called His creation "good"? And what does good mean? Is it a Taoist balance of yin and yang, good and evil, light and dark? And because it's balanced for God's purposes like The Force, it's "all good"! Or, did God create everything to be good as a whole and parts of that whole decided that they didn't want to play their part and tried to separate themselves from the whole, which is not loving but evil?

Dane 7 weeks ago

What did Jesus mean by "he was a murderer from the beginning..."? Beginning of what? And how long was the beginning? Was it a moment of God's thought? Or was it 7 days? And if the beginning lasted 7 days and was good, then it is entirely plausible that the being we refer to as the fallen angel,Satan was first created to herald or bear as a reflection, God's light, the Bright morning star just as the moon and venus reflect the sun? Maybe he was created good as a lesser light,a son of the morning, a multi-faceted covering cherub which had a part to play in the whole of creation and was given the power by God to love. But he turned that love on himself and tried to be the light.

In the beginning, God created the heavens (plural)and the earth. That means there was a heavenly sky that we could see and a heavenly spirit that we could only feel by belief. Were the angels created first in the spiritual realms as good? Man was created in God's image as a son just like the covering cherub. Was it man's beginning that Jesus was talking about when he says that the devil was a liar from the beginning? Was it envy and jealousy of God's love of man and not of God which turned a lucifer into a satan and a wannabee god? Love desires not his own. Isaiah mockingly refers to the Babylonian king who is influenced by the spirit of satan as "the" Helel, "the" Lucifer because that is exactly who and what he desires to be. He is no longer content to be "an" helel or "a" lucifer. Satan was no longer a lucifer for God and convinced Adam and Eve not to be one either. They were to be a Lucifer unto themselves. Christ made manifest in the flesh is the Lucifer, light bearer that they refused to be. Someday Christ will take all titles, all crowns to Himself,Lucifer among the rest,and then return them renewed to all who love like Him. But make no mistake. Right now, Satan is the Prince of this world and those who speak of Lucifer,speak of him. Jesus said that he was the Light of the World as a description but that is not the name he gave Himself. Yeshua,Yeheshua,Jesus,Joshua is the name He gave himself in the flesh. Call on Him by no other. And certainly do not call on Him as Lucifer because that is one of the names that Satan has given himself which was originally a quality.

Ales 6 weeks ago

"Lucifer" was only cast from "heaven" because he loved "God" too much ...

Sophia 6 weeks ago

Venus is and will always remain A WOMAN (Sophia).

Fake or true. There is a question! 5 weeks ago

Hello.

I get the idea. Yeshua, the Son of Creator is true Christ, the Son of Light is also true Lucifer. Let the Light come. And Light came.

I get the idea. Anti-Lucifer, Anti-Christ try to fake but his ass is not shining. It's giving true signals. Fake and dark, I can't see the light.

Now I see true colors of Lucifer. Yeshua, The Jesus Christ You are shining blue.. You are true Lucifer but Big Fallen Angel who have God Given big power. He try to take your place. I understand. Also Fake Lucifer is made by Creator.

If I am right? There is now question. Who are real Lucifer. Satan or Jesus.

Standing ovation 5 weeks ago

This is a very provocative piece of writing that should not be plainly dismissed as hogwash. Sanctus Vesania has a point, because most all Christians have been so blinded by the morning star that they can no longer see the truth or even acknowledge that a truth might exist beyond their tiny little comfort zone. Like Isaiah states “…he has weakened the earth,” seeing the weakness that follows Christianity it should be obvious.

Chris Nicholls 4 weeks ago

Satanists try to glamorise his name by identifying him with the star, the morning star. Something the Ancient Greeks did also by calling him Prometheus, the stealer of the fire from the gods.A bringer of knowledge supposedly, but we all know what that led to when Adam and Eve contrary to the Will of God availed themselves of such knowledge. As Satan always copies God, The Creator, and in opposition to the Holy Trinity, he formed his own alliance of Satan or Lucifer, Leviathan, Belzebub. So, Lucifer is none other than Satan, the enemy, evil spirit whose aim is to destroy man, God's creation.

Nora 3 weeks ago

I found that scripture in Isaiah 14 many years ago and was pretty disturbed by the similarities in the scripture to Jesus' life. For example, being a man-- this scripture doesn't say anything about angels. Thinking in his heart that he would rise above the clouds and be like the most high... hummm. What other famous figure promotes that thinking? One who did not release the prisoners from their prison houses... Hummm that is supposed to be a messianic prophecy. This is the only place in the bible talking about "the purpose purposed on the whole earth." Did I forget to mention thrust through with a sword? The scripture also says that. Of course the legendary Jesus was thrust through with a sword. His body was removed out of the kingly burial and Mary and the other Mary came to find him but the stone was rolled away. Some theologians believe rioters took him out of the tomb the apostles purchased. I had to stop being a Christian when I saw that. It seemed very likely that worshiping a man was breaking the first commandment and it seemed like Isaiah 14 was a clue to stop. When the churches of modern Christianity so closely model the customs of Babylon and the history has been one of many offshoots, the scripture in Isaiah 14 talking about cutting off from Babylon the name, nephew, remnant and son seems also meaningful. Worshiping a man never feels right anyway, so I have to go rogue and silently honor God the Creator outside of fleshly form. Ultimately, fairy tales of fear and hell stories if one doesn't turn over their faith to a human in fleshly form don't make sense. I think this scripture is a little known clue into the Christianity deception.